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Old 06-01-2011, 02:04 PM   #31
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For one side it would be LOL
for all the other states...


i just know it will make MY dam vote count!! for once!!!!!
and we all know, mine is the most important one....
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Old 06-01-2011, 02:05 PM   #32
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Only four presidents won without the popular vote, and just one since 1888. That would be George Bush in 2000 who lost by over a half of a million votes to Al Gore. Imagine how things would have been different with Gore instead of Bush.
that is when i realized exactly how fucked up the electoral college is.....
gore had more votes (i voted for him) but yet bush won... i was pissed for months! LOL
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Old 06-01-2011, 02:26 PM   #33
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The question still remains though... did he REALLY win? "Hanging chads" and all?
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Bush's brother and the Supreme Court made sure he won.
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Rhode Island Senate Passes National Popular Vote Bill 30–4
The Rhode Island Senate passed the National Popular Vote bill by a 30–4 margin on June 16. Republicans favored the bill by a 6–1 margin; Democrats favored the bill by a 23–3 margin; and one Independent voted for the bill.

The Rhode Island Senate is one of eight state legislative chambers in low-population states that have approved the bill. The others are the Delaware House (in 2009 and 2011), the Maine Senate, the Rhode Island House (in 2008), and both houses in Vermont and Hawaii (where the bill has already been enacted into law). The District of Columbia has also enacted the bill into law.
The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and the District of Columbia).

Small "States" are Disadvantaged Because of State Winner-Take-All Statues
The small states are the most disadvantaged group of states under the current system. The reason is that almost all of the least populous states are one-party states in terms of presidential elections. In the last six presidential elections (1988 through 2008), six of the 13 least populous states (i.e., those with three or four electoral votes) have regularly gone Republican (Alaska, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota, and South Dakota). Six other jurisdictions (Hawaii, Vermont, Maine, Rhode Island, Delaware, and the District of Columbia) have regularly gone Democratic. In recent elections, New Hampshire is the only state among the 13 smallest states that has been a closely divided battleground state in the November general election for President.

Under the winner-take-all rule (i.e., awarding all of a state's electoral votes to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in each state), candidates have no reason to poll, visit, advertise, organize, or pay attention to the concerns of states where they are comfortably ahead or hopelessly behind. Instead, candidates concentrate their attention on a small handful of closely divided battleground states. In 2008, candidates concentrated over two-thirds of their campaign events and ad money in just six battleground states, and 98% in just 15 states. This means that voters in the vast majority of the states are ignored in presidential elections. It specifically means that 12 of the 13 least populous states are ignored.

The 12 smallest non-competitive states have a combined population of 12 million. Because of the bonus of two electoral votes that every state receives, these 12 small states have 40 electoral votes. Coincidentally, Pennsylvania has 12 million people, and Pennsylvania has 20 electoral votes. That is, the 12 million people in Pennsylvania have "only" 20 electoral votes, whereas the 12 million people in the 12 smallest non-competitive states have 40 electoral votes.

However, political clout does not come from having a particular number of electoral votes, but, instead, from being a closely divided battleground state. The battleground state of Pennsylvania received 40 visits in the 2008 presidential election. However, the 12 non-battleground small states (with twice as many electoral votes as Pennsylvania) were politically irrelevant. In 2008, the 12 small non-competitive states together received only 2 visits. The winner-take-all rule makes the 12 million people in the closely divided battleground state of Pennsylvania crucial in presidential races, while rendering the 12 million people in the nation's smallest states politically irrelevant.

A national popular vote would make every vote equal throughout the United States. A national popular vote would make a vote cast in a small state as important as a vote cast in Pennsylvania. Under a national popular vote, every vote in every state would matter in every presidential election.

The fact that the bonus of two electoral votes is an illusory benefit to the small states is not a new revelation. In 1966, Delaware led a group of 12 predominantly low-population states (including North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Utah, Arkansas, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Iowa) in suing New York in the U.S. Supreme Court. Delaware Attorney General David Buckson argued that New York's use of the winner-take-all rule effectively disenfranchised voters in their states. The Court declined to hear the case (presumably because of the well-established constitutional provision that the manner of awarding electoral votes is exclusively a state decision). Ironically, the defendant (New York) is no longer an influential battleground state (as it was in the 1960s). Today, New York suffers the very same disenfranchisement as most of the less populous states because it too has become politically non-competitive. Today, a vote in New York is equal to a vote in Rhode Island because both are equally irrelevant in presidential elections.

Please Write Your State Legislators Asking Them to Support the Bill
One of the most important things you can do to support the National Popular Vote bill is to write your state legislators and state officials asking them to support the bill.
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TK!!!


California Legislature Sends National Popular Vote Bill to Governor
The California State Senate passed the National Popular Vote bill on July 14, thereby sending the bill to Governor Jerry Brown.

If the Governor signs the bill, states possessing 49% of the 270 electoral votes necessary to activate the National Popular Vote plan will have enacted it (132 of 270).

The National Popular Vote bill has now been enacted into law by jurisdictions possessing 77 electoral votes—29% of the 270 electoral votes needed to activate it, including Vermont (3 electoral votes), Hawaii (4), Illinois (20), Maryland (10), Massachusetts (11), New Jersey (14), Washington state (12), and the District of Columbia (3).
The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes from voters in the entire United States.

The National Popular Vote bill has now passed 31 legislative chambers in 21 jurisdictions, including chamber(s) in Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington. A map on the National Popular Vote web site shows the progress of the bill in each state.

At the present time, the National Popular Vote bill has been endorsed by 2,110 of the nation's state legislators (27% of 7,424 state legislators)
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Now we will see if dumbass Brown signs it.
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