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Old 03-17-2012, 09:02 PM   #1
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Default I have no words. None.

I might be bold here, but whatever. The Kony thing is very admirable. It's an important movement. But we need to focus on problems here at home.

If anyone says America is post-race, they are full of it. The longer we continue to ignore our issues, the worse things will become. If that's even possible. It's 2012 for shit's sake and things like this STILL happen.

If I were walking around my neighborhood in the rain in a hoodie, NOTHING like this would have transpired.

Here's the article/story I'm talking about. Click the link at the bottom and listen to the 911 recordings.

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SANFORD, Fla. — Police have released audio 911 tapes in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed teenager allegedly killed by a neighborhood watch captain while walking home from a store.

In eight chilling recordings, made the night of February 26, listeners can hear the frightened voices of neighbors calling to report screams for help, gunfire and then that someone was dead.

In perhaps the most disturbing of the recordings, a frightened voice cries out for help and pleads "No! No!" and then continues to wail.

And for the first time, we hear the voice of George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain who admitted to police that he shot Martin, who was walking home from a convenience store to his father's home in the gated community. Zimmerman has not been arrested or charged in the shooting.

Editor's Note: The following recordings and their transcriptions below contain strong language that some readers may find objectionable.

"This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something," Zimmerman tells the 911 operator. "He's just staring, looking at all the houses. Now he's coming toward me. He's got his hand in his waistband. Something's wrong with him."

Zimmerman described Martin as wearing a hoodie and sweatpants or jeans. He continues: "He's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is. Can we get an officer over here?"

"These assholes always get away," he says to the operator. Zimmerman is then heard giving directions to the dispatcher. "Shit, he's running," Zimmerman says.

"Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.

"Yes," Zimmerman responds.

"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says.

In other recordings, callers tell the 911 dispatcher that someone has been shot. One person tells the dispatcher that two guys were wrestling behind his back porch and that one of them was yelling for help. Then the male caller stammers in shock. "I'm pretty sure the guy is dead ... Oh, my God! ... The black guy looks like he's been shot and he's dead."

"The guy on top has a white T-shirt," another caller said.

"Is he on top of someone?" the operator asks.

"Mmmhmmm," a female caller responds.

Yet another caller says, "Someone was screaming 'Help! help! help!' Then I heard a gunshot."

One caller, a teenage boy, said that as he was walking his dog, "I saw a man laying on the ground that needed help. He was screaming."

Then, he told the operator, he heard a gunshot and said the screaming stopped.

Martin's family and their attorneys were allowed to hear the audio before it was made public.

"You hear a shot, a clear shot, that we can only assume is a warning shot," said Natalie Jackson, a family attorney. "Then a 17-year-old boy is begging for his life. Everything tells me that that was Trayvon Martin."

Tracy Martin, the teenager's father, broke down crying as he listened to the audio on Friday, the family lawyers said. "My son was crying for help, and he still shot him," Tracy Martin, the teenager's father said, according to Benjamin Crump, another family attorney.

The local state attorney is reviewing the investigation and will decide whether to prosecute the volunteer watchman.

Police in Sanford initially told Martin's family that Zimmerman had not been arrested because he had a "squeaky clean" record, according to Tracy Martin. Zimmerman had been arrested in 2005 on charges of resisting arrest with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer, according to court records. Those charges were later dropped.

"Do we really believe that if Trayvon Martin would have pulled the trigger, he would not be arrested?" said Crump. "This is obviously a cover-up, and we need a sweeping overhaul of the Sanford Police Department."

Sanford Mayor Jeff Triplett said he spent Thursday meeting with the state attorney's office discussing the release of the tapes. "It was as simple as us saying, 'We're going to do this, what do you think?'" Triplett told HuffPost.

Earlier Friday, Triplett met with Rep. Corrine Brown (D-Fla.), Police Chief Bill Lee and city manager Norton Bonaparte to discuss the 911 recording.

The police chief serves at the pleasure of the city manager. Bonaparte was asked by HuffPost whether the furor jeopardizes Lee's job. "We're reviewing all of our options at this point," he said, adding that he currently sees "no reason" to remove Lee.

Zimmerman had been the subject of earlier complaints by residents of the gated community in which he and Martin's family lived. At an emergency homeowner's association meeting earlier this month, "one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home," a resident wrote in an email to HuffPost. "It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch captain role.

The case has drawn national attention and has outraged many residents of Sanford, a town about 20 miles north of Orlando, particularly in the African-American community. Many have suggested a history of strained relations between the police department and blacks.

CORRECTION: An earlier version of this article incorrectly stated that Martin, not Zimmerman, was arrested in 2005. We regret this error.
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Old 03-18-2012, 12:48 AM   #2
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This is just awful. The guy should be in jail. That second 911 call is heart breaking... The guy who shot him is using Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law to get out of this, and as I could tell by the comments, MANY people that live there think this law is just horrid, allowing people to get away with murder. This was most certainly a hate crime, and hearing the boy cry for help, then hearing the shot just jolted me. How awful.
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I don't understand why you need a neighborhood watch in a gated community. I lived in a gated community before and they are very safe. That's why you live there.
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He hasn't been arrested because he has a squeaky clean record? It sounds like every person in that town gets one freebie then. Well, at least every white person.

This sounds like such a simple case. The victim didn't have a weapon. He didn't break into anyone's house, so it wasn't a matter of protecting person property. He was heard screaming for help before he was shot, so obviously he was defenseless. Zimmerman admitted to following him before he killed him. That's enough time to form intent, so the charge should be 1st degree murder. He also said "the assholes always get away" which escalates it to a hate crime. He should have been arrested and charged when the cops arrived. There's really nothing to think about.
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This is just awful. The guy should be in jail. That second 911 call is heart breaking... The guy who shot him is using Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law to get out of this, and as I could tell by the comments, MANY people that live there think this law is just horrid, allowing people to get away with murder. This was most certainly a hate crime, and hearing the boy cry for help, then hearing the shot just jolted me. How awful.
What's this law? I haven't heard of that for some reason. I have to go look this up. Ya, that one call really hit me the wrong way too, TK.

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He hasn't been arrested because he has a squeaky clean record? It sounds like every person in that town gets one freebie then. Well, at least every white person.

This sounds like such a simple case. The victim didn't have a weapon. He didn't break into anyone's house, so it wasn't a matter of protecting person property. He was heard screaming for help before he was shot, so obviously he was defenseless. Zimmerman admitted to following him before he killed him. That's enough time to form intent, so the charge should be 1st degree murder. He also said "the assholes always get away" which escalates it to a hate crime. He should have been arrested and charged when the cops arrived. There's really nothing to think about.
The details of this case just rub me the wrong way. This is 2012 and things like this are still happening. This is just one of the many that is just now receiving attention. It is ridiculous to me how, exactly as you said, this was a calculated move!! Trayvon was NOT in any way putting Zimmerman in harm's way. He followed him, thought about what to do and carried through with it. I'm with you Kristin. That's a really good point.
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First, this dude didn't have that clean of a record. There was battery against an officer, and from what I read elsewhere, the charges weren't dropped necessarily, they were downgraded to a misdemeanor so this dude could get a weapon permit.

This guy Zimmerman had made 41 calls to 911 in the past year. 41!! Some neighbors claim that his calls stopped a burglary from occurring. Course I don't know how they can say that if a burglary didn't occur. They are assuming.

Here is the "Stand Your Ground" law of Florida:

The Florida law is a self-defense, self-protection law. It has four key components:
  • It establishes that law-abiding residents and visitors may legally presume the threat of bodily harm or death from anyone who breaks into a residence or occupied vehicle and may use defensive force, including deadly force, against the intruder.
  • In any other place where a person “has a right to be,” that person has “no duty to retreat” if attacked and may “meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”
  • In either case, a person using any force permitted by the law is immune from criminal prosecution or civil action and cannot be arrested unless a law enforcement agency determines there is probable cause that the force used was unlawful.
  • If a civil action is brought and the court finds the defendant to be immune based on the parameters of the law, the defendant will be awarded all costs of defense.
Zimmerman is arguing point 2. However, here is what I don't get about this. First, according to the 911 call, his truck was not parked in front of his own home in the community. He told the police it wasn't in front of his home... thus, he had to have been following the kid in his truck for awhile, otherwise, why would it be parked somewhere else. Second, it is known he followed him because he said as much to the dispatcher. Third, you can plainly hear the kid screaming help and then the gun shot, so the kid had every "Right to be" as well. Fourth, one of the 911 calls explains seeing Zimmerman on top of the kid, so this "fear for bodily injury" thing is out the window. Zimmerman had him pinned to the ground. He could have waited for police, but instead decided to kill him.


This guy should be in jail period. It's a load of crap that he hasn't been arrested. And if it had been the other way around, of course this black kid shooting a white guy would have been in jail.


It's sickening.
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Exactly.

This law is crap. It's basically an excuse for people to kill. You can murder and we'll protect you. I'm very curious to see how this plays out. Something isn't right about this Zimmerman character.
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See, this is one place where I am very conservative. Not this case specifically, but in general, if somebody breaks into your house, I think you should be allowed to kill the bastard. I don't even care if you shoot him in the back while he's jumping over the fence. Once you break into my property you lose the benefit of the doubt.
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So, this then becomes a cultural issue:

Who has stronger jurisdiction over property? The government or the individual?
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